(Apr 27, 2023, 17:15 pm)El Phantasmo Wrote: Ok so the Superb Owl weekend continuity bothered me more than it should and caused me to do a deep dive on the actual lineup. According to the cinemassacre site listings plus searching for an old tv guide from the time I believe I have the actual order.

1/29 - Semi-Tough (1977) – 12:00 AM - Fred Williamson
1/29 - Paper Lion (1968) – 2:30 AM - Fred Williamson
…
1/30 - North Dallas Forty (1979) – 12:00 PM - Kevin Greene
1/30 - The Longest Yard (1974) – 2:30 PM - Kevin Greene
1/30 - The Dirty Dozen (1967) – 5:00 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - M*A*S*H (1970) – 8:00 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - The Longest Yard (1974) – 10:35 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - Two-Minute Warning (1976) – 1:15 AM - Fred Williamson
1/31 - South Beach (1993) - 12:00PM  - Fred Williamson

(Apr 27, 2023, 17:52 pm)runrunbill Wrote:

(Apr 27, 2023, 17:15 pm)El Phantasmo Wrote: Ok so the Superb Owl weekend continuity bothered me more than it should and caused me to do a deep dive on the actual lineup. According to the cinemassacre site listings plus searching for an old tv guide from the time I believe I have the actual order.

1/29 - Semi-Tough (1977) – 12:00 AM - Fred Williamson
1/29 - Paper Lion (1968) – 2:30 AM - Fred Williamson
…
1/30 - North Dallas Forty (1979) – 12:00 PM - Kevin Greene
1/30 - The Longest Yard (1974) – 2:30 PM - Kevin Greene
1/30 - The Dirty Dozen (1967) – 5:00 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - M*A*S*H (1970) – 8:00 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - The Longest Yard (1974) – 10:35 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - Two-Minute Warning (1976) – 1:15 AM - Fred Williamson
1/31 - South Beach (1993) - 12:00PM  - Fred Williamson

Hi El Phantasmo,

If you look at the original file, they list the air times before each clip. Screenshots here:
https://ibb.co/wW0X4sF
https://ibb.co/hsFxQgF
https://ibb.co/vm9SJMG
https://ibb.co/4pYJZ65
https://ibb.co/Q9SbKgB
https://ibb.co/vLdWgb1
https://ibb.co/7V2J9yk
https://ibb.co/ZSj335q

That lead me to post them in this order (no mention of Paper Lion):
1999-01-29 - 01 - Semi Tough (1977) [1080p] (12:00AM)
1999-01-29 - 02 - Two Minute Warning (1976) [1080p] (01:15AM) (Actually 01/30/99, but used 01/29/99 as the previous film aired at midnight and thus has the earlier date. Plus, due to the time difference between this and the next film, this feels more like it's own double-feature)

1999-01-30 - 01 - Dallas North Forty (1979) [1080p] (12:00PM) {posted in 2021-10}
1999-01-30 - 02 - The Longest Yard (1974) [1080p] (02:30PM) {posted in 2021-10}
1999-01-30 - 03 - The Dirty Dozen (1967) [1080p] (05:00PM)
1999-01-30 - 04 - MASH (1970) [1080p] (08:00PM)
1999-01-30 - 05 - The Longest Yard (1974) [1080p] (10:35PM)
1999-01-30 - 06 - South Beach (1993) [480p] (12:00PM) (Shows as 01/31/99, but left with 01/30/99 for better file grouping)

I noticed the listings that you mentioned, but decided to go with the info that I have from the original tapes.

I also highlighted the AM time in your post regarding Two-Minute Warning (1976) as this would aired much earlier that morning.

If you still feel like this is in error, please let me know.

Additionally, please feel free to rename files as you see fit. If your media sc*****r works better with different file-names, no worries about changing them.

However, I am trying to create the best and complete collection, so if you feel these should be re-named\re-sorted, please let me know.

Thanks,
RunRunBill

(Apr 17, 2023, 17:57 pm)jope Wrote: hey RRB,

is the friday the 13th marathon different from the most previous version?

(Apr 27, 2023, 19:48 pm)El Phantasmo Wrote:

(Apr 27, 2023, 17:52 pm)runrunbill Wrote:

(Apr 27, 2023, 17:15 pm)El Phantasmo Wrote: Ok so the Superb Owl weekend continuity bothered me more than it should and caused me to do a deep dive on the actual lineup. According to the cinemassacre site listings plus searching for an old tv guide from the time I believe I have the actual order.

1/29 - Semi-Tough (1977) – 12:00 AM - Fred Williamson
1/29 - Paper Lion (1968) – 2:30 AM - Fred Williamson
…
1/30 - North Dallas Forty (1979) – 12:00 PM - Kevin Greene
1/30 - The Longest Yard (1974) – 2:30 PM - Kevin Greene
1/30 - The Dirty Dozen (1967) – 5:00 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - M*A*S*H (1970) – 8:00 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - The Longest Yard (1974) – 10:35 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - Two-Minute Warning (1976) – 1:15 AM - Fred Williamson
1/31 - South Beach (1993) - 12:00PM  - Fred Williamson

Hi El Phantasmo,

If you look at the original file, they list the air times before each clip. Screenshots here:
https://ibb.co/wW0X4sF
https://ibb.co/hsFxQgF
https://ibb.co/vm9SJMG
https://ibb.co/4pYJZ65
https://ibb.co/Q9SbKgB
https://ibb.co/vLdWgb1
https://ibb.co/7V2J9yk
https://ibb.co/ZSj335q

That lead me to post them in this order (no mention of Paper Lion):
1999-01-29 - 01 - Semi Tough (1977) [1080p] (12:00AM)
1999-01-29 - 02 - Two Minute Warning (1976) [1080p] (01:15AM) (Actually 01/30/99, but used 01/29/99 as the previous film aired at midnight and thus has the earlier date. Plus, due to the time difference between this and the next film, this feels more like it's own double-feature)

1999-01-30 - 01 - Dallas North Forty (1979) [1080p] (12:00PM) {posted in 2021-10}
1999-01-30 - 02 - The Longest Yard (1974) [1080p] (02:30PM) {posted in 2021-10}
1999-01-30 - 03 - The Dirty Dozen (1967) [1080p] (05:00PM)
1999-01-30 - 04 - MASH (1970) [1080p] (08:00PM)
1999-01-30 - 05 - The Longest Yard (1974) [1080p] (10:35PM)
1999-01-30 - 06 - South Beach (1993) [480p] (12:00PM) (Shows as 01/31/99, but left with 01/30/99 for better file grouping)

I noticed the listings that you mentioned, but decided to go with the info that I have from the original tapes.

I also highlighted the AM time in your post regarding Two-Minute Warning (1976) as this would aired much earlier that morning.

If you still feel like this is in error, please let me know.

Additionally, please feel free to rename files as you see fit. If your media sc*****r works better with different file-names, no worries about changing them.

However, I am trying to create the best and complete collection, so if you feel these should be re-named\re-sorted, please let me know.

Thanks,
RunRunBill

Bill, I think you did a fantastic job as usual. The timeline is just weird and a head scratcher at first. These two screenshots should clarify what I am seeing. Granted they are not the best quality or easy to read though. https://imgur.com/a/5g9vEKi

(Apr 27, 2023, 20:02 pm)runrunbill Wrote:

(Apr 17, 2023, 17:57 pm)jope Wrote: hey RRB,

is the friday the 13th marathon different from the most previous version?

(Apr 27, 2023, 19:48 pm)El Phantasmo Wrote:

(Apr 27, 2023, 17:52 pm)runrunbill Wrote:

(Apr 27, 2023, 17:15 pm)El Phantasmo Wrote: Ok so the Superb Owl weekend continuity bothered me more than it should and caused me to do a deep dive on the actual lineup. According to the cinemassacre site listings plus searching for an old tv guide from the time I believe I have the actual order.

1/29 - Semi-Tough (1977) – 12:00 AM - Fred Williamson
1/29 - Paper Lion (1968) – 2:30 AM - Fred Williamson
…
1/30 - North Dallas Forty (1979) – 12:00 PM - Kevin Greene
1/30 - The Longest Yard (1974) – 2:30 PM - Kevin Greene
1/30 - The Dirty Dozen (1967) – 5:00 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - M*A*S*H (1970) – 8:00 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - The Longest Yard (1974) – 10:35 PM - Fred Williamson
1/30 - Two-Minute Warning (1976) – 1:15 AM - Fred Williamson
1/31 - South Beach (1993) - 12:00PM  - Fred Williamson

Hi El Phantasmo,

If you look at the original file, they list the air times before each clip. Screenshots here:
https://ibb.co/wW0X4sF
https://ibb.co/hsFxQgF
https://ibb.co/vm9SJMG
https://ibb.co/4pYJZ65
https://ibb.co/Q9SbKgB
https://ibb.co/vLdWgb1
https://ibb.co/7V2J9yk
https://ibb.co/ZSj335q

That lead me to post them in this order (no mention of Paper Lion):
1999-01-29 - 01 - Semi Tough (1977) [1080p] (12:00AM)
1999-01-29 - 02 - Two Minute Warning (1976) [1080p] (01:15AM) (Actually 01/30/99, but used 01/29/99 as the previous film aired at midnight and thus has the earlier date. Plus, due to the time difference between this and the next film, this feels more like it's own double-feature)

1999-01-30 - 01 - Dallas North Forty (1979) [1080p] (12:00PM) {posted in 2021-10}
1999-01-30 - 02 - The Longest Yard (1974) [1080p] (02:30PM) {posted in 2021-10}
1999-01-30 - 03 - The Dirty Dozen (1967) [1080p] (05:00PM)
1999-01-30 - 04 - MASH (1970) [1080p] (08:00PM)
1999-01-30 - 05 - The Longest Yard (1974) [1080p] (10:35PM)
1999-01-30 - 06 - South Beach (1993) [480p] (12:00PM) (Shows as 01/31/99, but left with 01/30/99 for better file grouping)

I noticed the listings that you mentioned, but decided to go with the info that I have from the original tapes.

I also highlighted the AM time in your post regarding Two-Minute Warning (1976) as this would aired much earlier that morning.

If you still feel like this is in error, please let me know.

Additionally, please feel free to rename files as you see fit. If your media sc*****r works better with different file-names, no worries about changing them.

However, I am trying to create the best and complete collection, so if you feel these should be re-named\re-sorted, please let me know.

Thanks,
RunRunBill

Bill, I think you did a fantastic job as usual. The timeline is just weird and a head scratcher at first. These two screenshots should clarify what I am seeing. Granted they are not the best quality or easy to read though. https://imgur.com/a/5g9vEKi

Thanks for the extra info. Maybe the AM for Two Minute Warning is a misprint and it should have been PM. And it's odd that there is no mention of Paper Lion.

Please let me know if you find out any more info. This is a weird one. The host segments are also not in order (the file from the Patreon) and that was really confused me at first...in addition to the rest of the confusion.

Thanks,
RunRunBill

(Apr 24, 2023, 23:07 pm)runrunbill Wrote:

(Apr 23, 2023, 00:06 am)latenet Wrote: Here's a weird philosophical question...

As you know, the cool thing about the Monstervision "upgrades" is that the films have the original Joe Bob host segments, but don't use edited-for-television copies of the movies that TNT used. Instead the original theatrical cuts are put back in, which makes the experience much, much more authentic (and much, much more like what Joe Bob would have intended).

In the case of TWO-MINUTE WARNING, however... And here's where a little historical background is first needed:

When TWO-MINUTE WARNING was released theatrically in 1976, some critics... *cough*Ebert*cough*  decried what they considered its senseless violence (because it was a movie about, you know, senseless violence). As a result, when the film went to television about two years later, NBC was concerned (also, it's worth noting, because violent news stories were peaking that year). They did something that had never been done before, and actually paid out big money to not EDIT the movie for television, but actually have 40 minutes of new footage shot, completely changing the plot of the film. The movie was no longer the story of an insane sniper who wanted to kill people at a football championship; instead it was NOW a movie about a paid professional sniper who was deliberately shooting at empty seats (I know; try to keep from laughing) so he could make the crowd at the stadium panic. He did this to draw police attention to the football stadium, while a crew of criminals robbed a nearby art gallery. This changed the plot of the film so much that multiple characters in the movie who had died now walked away completely unharmed. Pretty screwy, huh?

Now, back to the philosophical question. When MONSTERVISION showed TWO-MINUTE WARNING, they showed the TV version of the film. But as I said, it wasn't a TV EDIT, it was actually a special version prepared FOR television. So technically it was the version that TNT meant to show. So would the theatrical version be the correct one to be remastered, or would it be the TV version?

On the OTHER hand, at the time of the Super Bowl broadcast, did Joe Bob even KNOW which version they were showing? You'll note that he doesn't really mention anything about it in the one host segment included in the video included in the remastered version.

[That raises another point: The TV edit included several more host segments that weren't upgraded for the remaster. I don't know if possibly the people doing the crowdfunding thing thought there might be legal rights issues, as all of the segments were Joe Bob out and about in Miami interviewing folks, which possibly would have required getting all of them to sign off to allow their old footage to be used. Either way, none of those clips referred back to the film either.]

That final point being: If Joe Bob didn't know which version of the film was being shown on Super Bowl weekend, then maybe it really doesn't matter which version is the "real" MONSTERVISION experience. Personally, I'm keeping both, because I think it's fun. I think it may be one of those cases in which the question is more interesting than the answer.

And I've had that crappy-looking copy of the TV version of the episode so long that I can't even remember where I got it. I THOUGHT it had come from MySpleen, but now I see that it isn't showing up in any of the torrent lists there. *shrug*

Also, in case anyone's wondering... TWO-MINUTE WARNING wasn't a great movie to begin with, and the "guys robbing an art gallery version" is much, MUCH worse.

That's really cool! This is the first time that I've heard of this film and have never heard of the alternate cut. I'm going to leave the edit with the original (better) version. But, if anyone is interested, here is a link to the TV-Cut:
https://mega.nz/folder/0pJkTYpT#D_htcsXWejfjHWdruV3dJQ

Thanks,
RunRunBill


Makes sense to me, because as I say, the TV version is, well... imagine how interesting the movie SHOWGIRLS would be if every time a performer was about to take off her top instead someone stepped out and said "Hey, instead of doing that, why don't you ALMOST take off your top to keep the audience interested while we rob a nearby art museum?" Yeaaaaaah... it wasn't a great idea.

(Apr 28, 2023, 00:10 am)latenet Wrote:

(Apr 24, 2023, 23:07 pm)runrunbill Wrote:

(Apr 23, 2023, 00:06 am)latenet Wrote: Here's a weird philosophical question...

As you know, the cool thing about the Monstervision "upgrades" is that the films have the original Joe Bob host segments, but don't use edited-for-television copies of the movies that TNT used. Instead the original theatrical cuts are put back in, which makes the experience much, much more authentic (and much, much more like what Joe Bob would have intended).

In the case of TWO-MINUTE WARNING, however... And here's where a little historical background is first needed:

When TWO-MINUTE WARNING was released theatrically in 1976, some critics... *cough*Ebert*cough*  decried what they considered its senseless violence (because it was a movie about, you know, senseless violence). As a result, when the film went to television about two years later, NBC was concerned (also, it's worth noting, because violent news stories were peaking that year). They did something that had never been done before, and actually paid out big money to not EDIT the movie for television, but actually have 40 minutes of new footage shot, completely changing the plot of the film. The movie was no longer the story of an insane sniper who wanted to kill people at a football championship; instead it was NOW a movie about a paid professional sniper who was deliberately shooting at empty seats (I know; try to keep from laughing) so he could make the crowd at the stadium panic. He did this to draw police attention to the football stadium, while a crew of criminals robbed a nearby art gallery. This changed the plot of the film so much that multiple characters in the movie who had died now walked away completely unharmed. Pretty screwy, huh?

Now, back to the philosophical question. When MONSTERVISION showed TWO-MINUTE WARNING, they showed the TV version of the film. But as I said, it wasn't a TV EDIT, it was actually a special version prepared FOR television. So technically it was the version that TNT meant to show. So would the theatrical version be the correct one to be remastered, or would it be the TV version?

On the OTHER hand, at the time of the Super Bowl broadcast, did Joe Bob even KNOW which version they were showing? You'll note that he doesn't really mention anything about it in the one host segment included in the video included in the remastered version.

[That raises another point: The TV edit included several more host segments that weren't upgraded for the remaster. I don't know if possibly the people doing the crowdfunding thing thought there might be legal rights issues, as all of the segments were Joe Bob out and about in Miami interviewing folks, which possibly would have required getting all of them to sign off to allow their old footage to be used. Either way, none of those clips referred back to the film either.]

That final point being: If Joe Bob didn't know which version of the film was being shown on Super Bowl weekend, then maybe it really doesn't matter which version is the "real" MONSTERVISION experience. Personally, I'm keeping both, because I think it's fun. I think it may be one of those cases in which the question is more interesting than the answer.

And I've had that crappy-looking copy of the TV version of the episode so long that I can't even remember where I got it. I THOUGHT it had come from MySpleen, but now I see that it isn't showing up in any of the torrent lists there. *shrug*

Also, in case anyone's wondering... TWO-MINUTE WARNING wasn't a great movie to begin with, and the "guys robbing an art gallery version" is much, MUCH worse.

That's really cool! This is the first time that I've heard of this film and have never heard of the alternate cut. I'm going to leave the edit with the original (better) version. But, if anyone is interested, here is a link to the TV-Cut:
https://mega.nz/folder/0pJkTYpT#D_htcsXWejfjHWdruV3dJQ

Thanks,
RunRunBill


Makes sense to me, because as I say, the TV version is, well... imagine how interesting the movie SHOWGIRLS would be if every time a performer was about to take off her top instead someone stepped out and said "Hey, instead of doing that, why don't you ALMOST take off your top to keep the audience interested while we rob a nearby art museum?" Yeaaaaaah... it wasn't a great idea.

(Apr 28, 2023, 01:19 am)runrunbill Wrote:

(Apr 28, 2023, 00:10 am)latenet Wrote:

(Apr 24, 2023, 23:07 pm)runrunbill Wrote:

(Apr 23, 2023, 00:06 am)latenet Wrote: Here's a weird philosophical question...

As you know, the cool thing about the Monstervision "upgrades" is that the films have the original Joe Bob host segments, but don't use edited-for-television copies of the movies that TNT used. Instead the original theatrical cuts are put back in, which makes the experience much, much more authentic (and much, much more like what Joe Bob would have intended).

In the case of TWO-MINUTE WARNING, however... And here's where a little historical background is first needed:

When TWO-MINUTE WARNING was released theatrically in 1976, some critics... *cough*Ebert*cough*  decried what they considered its senseless violence (because it was a movie about, you know, senseless violence). As a result, when the film went to television about two years later, NBC was concerned (also, it's worth noting, because violent news stories were peaking that year). They did something that had never been done before, and actually paid out big money to not EDIT the movie for television, but actually have 40 minutes of new footage shot, completely changing the plot of the film. The movie was no longer the story of an insane sniper who wanted to kill people at a football championship; instead it was NOW a movie about a paid professional sniper who was deliberately shooting at empty seats (I know; try to keep from laughing) so he could make the crowd at the stadium panic. He did this to draw police attention to the football stadium, while a crew of criminals robbed a nearby art gallery. This changed the plot of the film so much that multiple characters in the movie who had died now walked away completely unharmed. Pretty screwy, huh?

Now, back to the philosophical question. When MONSTERVISION showed TWO-MINUTE WARNING, they showed the TV version of the film. But as I said, it wasn't a TV EDIT, it was actually a special version prepared FOR television. So technically it was the version that TNT meant to show. So would the theatrical version be the correct one to be remastered, or would it be the TV version?

On the OTHER hand, at the time of the Super Bowl broadcast, did Joe Bob even KNOW which version they were showing? You'll note that he doesn't really mention anything about it in the one host segment included in the video included in the remastered version.

[That raises another point: The TV edit included several more host segments that weren't upgraded for the remaster. I don't know if possibly the people doing the crowdfunding thing thought there might be legal rights issues, as all of the segments were Joe Bob out and about in Miami interviewing folks, which possibly would have required getting all of them to sign off to allow their old footage to be used. Either way, none of those clips referred back to the film either.]

That final point being: If Joe Bob didn't know which version of the film was being shown on Super Bowl weekend, then maybe it really doesn't matter which version is the "real" MONSTERVISION experience. Personally, I'm keeping both, because I think it's fun. I think it may be one of those cases in which the question is more interesting than the answer.

And I've had that crappy-looking copy of the TV version of the episode so long that I can't even remember where I got it. I THOUGHT it had come from MySpleen, but now I see that it isn't showing up in any of the torrent lists there. *shrug*

Also, in case anyone's wondering... TWO-MINUTE WARNING wasn't a great movie to begin with, and the "guys robbing an art gallery version" is much, MUCH worse.

That's really cool! This is the first time that I've heard of this film and have never heard of the alternate cut. I'm going to leave the edit with the original (better) version. But, if anyone is interested, here is a link to the TV-Cut:
https://mega.nz/folder/0pJkTYpT#D_htcsXWejfjHWdruV3dJQ

Thanks,
RunRunBill


Makes sense to me, because as I say, the TV version is, well... imagine how interesting the movie SHOWGIRLS would be if every time a performer was about to take off her top instead someone stepped out and said "Hey, instead of doing that, why don't you ALMOST take off your top to keep the audience interested while we rob a nearby art museum?" Yeaaaaaah... it wasn't a great idea.

I know we're getting a bit off topic, but if you've never seen the Showgirls TV-Edit (MS Paint Version), it's really something else:
https://mega.nz/folder/k1YWXYiY#qt0Mka0nM2gZSZY3KhEqfA

More info:
https://www.bustle.com/articles/111601-the-showgirls-tv-version-is-hilariously-different-5-edits-to-watch-for