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Fired FBI Official Now Discovering The 'Civilian' Delight Of Being Jerked Around ... - Mike - Jun 18, 2018
FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe's career came to a sudden end earlier this year. Following in his predecessor James Comey's footsteps, McCabe swiftly found himself on the front sidewalk with a Sessions footprint on his ass. An Inspector General's report followed soon after, detailing many reasons McCabe might have been fired -- lying to investigators, leaking stuff to the press, evading concerns about his investigative neutrality in light of his wife's acceptance of donations from a Clinton-linked PAC... We don't know if any of these are why Trump fired McCabe, but pretty much any one of these things makes a firing justifiable.
Lying to the FBI is serious business, even when it's just its oversight. Ask anyone who's been charged with nothing but lying when the FBI fails to build a better case. For McCabe, though, it was just a little "administrative misconduct." Something that could be addressed with a writeup or, in this case, a firing. That the trigger was pulled hours away from McCabe's retirement sucks for McCabe, but I find it very difficult to sympathize with career government employees who feel they're still owed a lifetime of retirement benefits after they've been fired for cause.
McCabe is still trying to get what he thinks taxpayers owe him. He claims the firing was "politically motivated." Given the general nature of Trump's personnel decisions, he's probably not wrong. But the IG report shows him engaged in behavior that could result in termination. McCabe doesn't believe that's the case and he's demanding the DOJ hand over documents and manuals related to internal policies and firing practices. And he's doing this like an actual civilian: by filing FOIA requests.
Unsurprisingly, that's not working. McCabe's lawyers are asking the DC court to force the DOJ to hand over all policies and manuals. As is argued in this quasi-FOIA lawsuit [PDF], the DOJ has been shirking its obligations to the public for decades.
Quote:Defendants have been required for over 50 years to proactively disclose the kinds of documents at issue here, and there is no just reason for either their failure to do so now or for any further delay. Defendants’ breach of their disclosure obligations have prejudiced Mr. McCabe and Plaintiff in fundamental ways, all of which flow from one of FOIA’s core concerns: No citizen should “los[e] a controversy with an agency because of some obscure and hidden [administrative material] which the agency knows about but which has been unavailable to the citizen simply because he had no way in which to discover it.”
His FOIA request was only a few days old at the time of the filing, so this lawsuit isn't really about non-responsiveness. It's about the DOJ deliberately playing keep-away with documents McCabe needs to determine whether or not his firing was done in accordance with DOJ policy.
This cannot possibly come as a surprise to McCabe. A career fed would know federal agencies don't turn over documents without a fight, even when their legal obligations are clear. The FBI is barely responsive to its own oversight, so there's no reason to believe the DOJ is going to proactively post documents for public consumption. And when it's facing a potential lawsuit over a firing, it's definitely going to amp up the stonewalling and denials. McCabe probably wouldn't have minded Joe Citizen being dicked around this way, but it irritates him when he's on the receiving end of treatment like this:
Quote:FOIA mandates that Defendants proactively disclose the applicable policies and procedures in an electronic format without waiting for an affirmative request. Defendants have failed to do so. When Plaintiff requested the pertinent documents, Defendants variously refused to comply and failed to properly, timely, or sufficiently respond. They even barred Plaintiff from accessing Defendants’ physical library, which contains some (or perhaps all) of the documents at issue here.
When you're forced out of government service, you suddenly become keenly aware of the injustices -- large and small -- perpetrated daily by federal agencies. For someone who used to be near the top of the fed food chain, this pettiness and opacity must be almost unbearable. When you're on the inside, it just looks like a measured response to stupid members of the public who won't mind their own business. But once you're on the outside looking in, you realize how much effort you must make just to force government agencies to comply with federal law and their own internal policies.
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Originally Published: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 09:34:17 PDT
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RE: Fired FBI Official Now Discovering The 'Civilian' Delight Of Being Jerked Around ... - dueda - Jun 18, 2018
I hope he's caught on piracy too.
RE: Fired FBI Official Now Discovering The 'Civilian' Delight Of Being Jerked Around ... - politux - Jun 19, 2018
More like the Trumpists are trying to turn McCabe into a scapegoat to try to distract from the fact that Trump illegally obstructed justice when he fired James Comey and told Comey to drop the Flynn investigation. This is hardly a case of a random government bureaucrat who learns about government overreach.
RE: Fired FBI Official Now Discovering The 'Civilian' Delight Of Being Jerked Around ... - Executive - Jun 22, 2018
I didn't follow Andrew McCabe's firing -- one of many from this very corrupt and wealthy administration, but it doesn't surprise me.
What's more important is that Trump doesn't fire Rod Rosenstein and / or Robert Mueller. While their criminal investigations into the Trump organization can certainly continue with or without them , if Rosenstein or Trump gets rid of Mueller the popular belief is that Republicans will finally stop covering for the Criminal-in-Chief. I'm not so easily convinced, but we'll see.... As for the Democrats they're not campaigning on impeachment, according to Nancy Pelosi. That completely contradicts what the GOP are saying. But the rules of law and the U.S. Constitution must be followed! So after the Dems very likely take back the U.S. House this November, in January they must start impeachment proceedings -- even if they fail to win back the Senate. It's just the right thing to do. So it's more a matter of WHEN the Special Counsel Trump / Russia probes are completed. Nixon's impeachment took over 2 years post-Watergate break-in. He resigned before his own party could carry it through in the U.S. House. Then President Ford gave the man a full pardon.
RE: Fired FBI Official Now Discovering The 'Civilian' Delight Of Being Jerked Around ... - analogkid6103 - Jun 22, 2018
Well somehow I doubt that the White House will have the current occupant in it after the next cycle. So Im sure all these who got the axe from Trump et al will be all good again. And will all write books about the unfairness of it all. I expect the fall out from Trump politically will give the Democrats at least 2 - 3 cycles easily. No matter who they use. Until balance is restored things will remain unstable.
RE: Fired FBI Official Now Discovering The 'Civilian' Delight Of Being Jerked Around ... - Executive - Jun 22, 2018
(Jun 22, 2018, 13:43 pm)analogkid6103 Wrote: Well somehow I doubt that the White House will have the current occupant in it after the next cycle. So Im sure all these who got the axe from Trump et al will be all good again. And will all write books about the unfairness of it all. I expect the fall out from Trump politically will give the Democrats at least 2 - 3 cycles easily. No matter who they use. Until balance is restored things will remain unstable.
That depends on whether the Democrats can control all of Congress as well as the White House. The Obama administration only had a slight ( 60 vote ) filibuster-proof majority for about 74 days in 2009. They cleaned up the Bush mess of a failing economy after massive stock market and housing market crashes. That along took about 9 or 10 months. Then when Ted Kennedy died all hell broke loose in the Senate, with Republicans fillibustering hundreds of meaningful bills that came out of the House...... In 2010 Dems lost the House and then in 2014 the Senate too.
The Trump administration and the current Congress has deregulated so much, it's only a matter of time until the next crash. That could take a decade or more to correct their wrongdoing and thievery.
RE: Fired FBI Official Now Discovering The 'Civilian' Delight Of Being Jerked Around ... - harrypalmer - Jul 04, 2018
If the US government ever requires a valid ID to vote in person and a copy of a valid ID to absentee vote, I would be surprised if any democrat is ever elected to any office ever again. Haven't you ever wondered why the democrats are so fervently against valid IDs as a requirement to vote?
RE: Fired FBI Official Now Discovering The 'Civilian' Delight Of Being Jerked Around ... - politux - Jul 05, 2018
(Jul 04, 2018, 21:06 pm)harrypalmer Wrote: Haven't you ever wondered why the democrats are so fervently against valid IDs as a requirement to vote?
No I don't have to wonder. The people who generally lack ID tend to be poor, black, and or elderly. That demographic overwhelmingly votes for the democrats. Republicans know this and thus try to throw as many obstacles in their way as possible. The country is changing and the only way the republicans can win is to cheat. It has a long proud tradition dating back to the Jim Crow south where they charged poll taxes and forced minorities to take sham "literacy" tests before they could exercise their right to vote.
You have to show your ID when you REGISTER to vote, not when you cast your ballot.
Also in person voter fraud is extremely rare. So got any other right wing propaganda memes you'd like to spout?
RE: Fired FBI Official Now Discovering The 'Civilian' Delight Of Being Jerked Around ... - hypno-potamous - Jul 05, 2018
(Jul 05, 2018, 04:18 am)politux Wrote:(Jul 04, 2018, 21:06 pm)harrypalmer Wrote: Haven't you ever wondered why the democrats are so fervently against valid IDs as a requirement to vote?
No I don't have to wonder. The people who generally lack ID tend to be poor, black, and or elderly. That demographic overwhelmingly votes for the democrats. Republicans know this and thus try to throw as many obstacles in their way as possible. The country is changing and the only way the republicans can win is to cheat. It has a long proud tradition dating back to the Jim Crow south where they charged poll taxes and forced minorities to take sham "literacy" tests before they could exercise their right to vote.
You have to show your ID when you REGISTER to vote, not when you cast your ballot.
Also in person voter fraud is extremely rare. So got any other right wing propaganda memes you'd like to spout?
The people without valid id being poor and black or elderly is a myth. They have the ID for their benefits from the government. Jim Crow laws were put on the books by the democrats to keep blacks from voting for republicans. Voter fraud is rampant in this country. Lots of examples, what is rare is a prosecution for it. Voter ID makes it very difficult to cheat and get away with it. The biggest voter fraud schemes involve the voting machine software/hardware. Needs to have an audit trail.
RE: Fired FBI Official Now Discovering The 'Civilian' Delight Of Being Jerked Around ... - Executive - Jul 13, 2018
Quote:hypno-potamous
The people without valid id being poor and black or elderly is a myth. They have the ID for their benefits from the government. Jim Crow laws were put on the books by the democrats to keep blacks from voting for republicans. Voter fraud is rampant in this country. Lots of examples, what is rare is a prosecution for it. Voter ID makes it very difficult to cheat and get away with it. The biggest voter fraud schemes involve the voting machine software/hardware. Needs to have an audit trail.
I have news for you the voting machine hacks -- though still rare was ELECTION FRAUD, not voter fraud. The a percentage of those votes have a nasty habit of being switched from Democrat to Republican.
The Bush administration spent millions of taxpayer dollars over a period of a few years investigating voter fraud, and determined it rarely happened. Here's an article from last year on this subject from a very reliable source :
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-05-05/study-finds-little-voter-fraud-evidence-in-key-2016-jurisdictions
Strict Voter ID laws, unfair Republican gerry-mandering, and what Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach was found guilty of in many civil court cases since ( Interstate Cross-Check , which illegally strikes previously eligible Americans from the voter rolls ) are all Republican cheating tactics to lower voting turnout so they win more races.
The solution to this problem : Going back to the old and reliable paper ballot system as we've done in southern California -- at least in this year's primaries. An even better solution : a federal Constitutional amendment to allow all Americans born in this country plus Puerto Ricans and other U.S. territorial citizens the RIGHT to vote, a law that will never pass on the federal level as long as Republicans control Congress and the White House. That's because if they did their party would rarely win again !