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(Jul 13, 2014, 05:56 am)norcalnative2014 Wrote: (Jul 03, 2014, 19:17 pm)Rick Wrote: the corporation Hobby Lobby was allowed to deny healthcare to its (female) employees based on a reactionary superstitious idea that such healthcare for women should not exist at all
That is absolutely not true.
Female Hobby Lobby employees still have healthcare coverage. What is not covered are a few "procedures"/"medications" that are highly objectionable to the beliefs of the family which owns Hobby Lobby.
Hobby Lobby (nor any other health insurance) doesn't cover condoms, either, so there is really no argument.
I won't address any other points in the OP, other than to say Communism also claimed that freedom of religion was "obsolete" and "harmful." Tens of millions of died.
Had to make and account just to correct you. Correlation doesn't equal causation. Your point is *****ing stupid. Tens of millions didn't die because of Communist beliefs on freedom of religion. Piss off.
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From your post I would assume you are not from the U.S. and you obviously don't have a clue about the laws of the U.S. or the Constituition of the U.S.
First of all, freedom of religion only applies to legally recognized, established religions, I can't just start a religion where I think that I should be able to smoke crack and kill prostitutes. That's not how it works. Someone who claims rights based on their belief of a Flying Spaghetti Monster would be thrown out of court and has no recognized religious rights at all.
Freedom of speech is a totally different thing than freedom of religion, despite your twisted interpretations of them. I can tell anyone I want that the moon is made of Emmenthaler Cheese, and can argue that all day long, because of the freedom of speech, but that in no way means that I can claim that to be a religious belief or claim any legal right from that. I can also say that the OP is a *****ing idiot, because of the freedom of speech, but I can't say that because my religion allows me to kill OP's that I can kill you.
Any privately held company is bound by the laws of their particular state and by federal laws. Freedom of religion may allow some of those companies to permit practices that some people don't agree with, but if you don't agree with those practices, then you have every right to use your freedom of speech to protest that company. Or you could just shop somewhere else. Your choice. That is the beauty of America. You have a choice. You can shop where you want, say what you want, and protest against people or companies you disagree with.
As far as your claim of refusal to follow hygiene procedures in food/healthcare, that is just bullshit. No one can work in, for example, a hospital, and refuse to wash their hands before operating. Not only is there no religion that proscribes that, for one thing, but federal laws would prohibit that, for safety reasons.
And for teachers refusing to allow students to examine information they've been given, that's just plain ridiculous. It makes no sense. Any student has the right to question whatever they have been taught to any number of people. Themselves, their parents, other teachers, school boards, lawyers, government officials, etc.
Genital mutilation. Certain religions and many non religious people believe it is right. It doesn't mean it is, but it doesn't give you the right to stop what they believe either.
What makes you the all knowing all seeing prophet of all humanity? What makes you think you can say what is right and wrong? Oh, nothing? Otherwise you would have your own recognized religion and could do whatever you want. But isn't that exactly what you are railing against? People controlling other people? But you want the same thing. You want to control people and tell them what they can and cannot do. You are an egomaniac. You are a hypocrite. And an ignorant asshole.
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Nope, Freedom of Religion is like guns rights. They are both still here despite all the attacks. And for good reason. Freedom.
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The ^ above gravedigging trolling is useless and a disrespect to the previous. Freedom of speech and vandalism (forum graffiti) are two different things.
Well, that's one result of freedom. But Religion can be free as far it is one individual's only; when that individual crosses the lines on others, it is called crime.
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(Jun 16, 2024, 09:32 am)dueda Wrote: The ^ above gravedigging trolling is useless and a disrespect to the previous. Freedom of speech and vandalism (forum graffiti) are two different things.
Well, that's one result of freedom. But Religion can be free as far it is one individual's only; when that individual crosses the lines on others, it is called crime.
It seems we have two rather busy gravedigging trolls at present: Lazarus and his other brother Lazarus.
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(Jun 16, 2024, 09:32 am)dueda Wrote: The ^ above gravedigging trolling is useless and a disrespect to the previous. Freedom of speech and vandalism (forum graffiti) are two different things.
Well, that's one result of freedom. But Religion can be free as far it is one individual's only; when that individual crosses the lines on others, it is called crime. Naw your going way off course. Just read the words I wrote. I don't mean anything else. Freedom of religion is a fine right. But I never even implied that forcing ones religion on others was acceptable. In fact, I am 200% Atheist. I don't want anybody elses religion at all. But others are welcome to any religion they desire. Including the satanic ones. The evangelism and attempts to remove the separation of church and state are not a Constitutional right, and are best left to the courts to remediate.
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Oh, I didn't mean you did. Also I'm not atheist but don't like religions as they are, imo, more political than metaphysics, tools to control.
But you're on a gravediggin roll :>
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(Jun 16, 2024, 23:23 pm)dueda Wrote: Oh, I didn't mean you did. Also I'm not atheist but don't like religions as they are, imo, more political than metaphysics, tools to control.
But you're on a gravediggin roll :>
Gavediggin is fine. Lots of these are outstanding discussions to revisit. Years ago they were rather preposterous, but it is free speech. But now we can actually see how these discussions withstood the test of time. Super educational as they show the hysteria that swept the nation about all things Trump. Now that all this stuff was debunked and buried by the media, they are making all kinds of new hysteria that really aint any different than the old hysteria.
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Only hysteria I like is from Def Leppard. People will be always hysterical and deluded. I once asked myself what could be done, what the point in questioning it... Nope.
Only great thing in the communist regimes is the suppression of religious pricks.
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